Lord Jamar Says Dr. Dre Took The Make-Up Off When He Came To Hip Hop

posted Friday January 31 ,2014 at 02:25PM CST | 187 comments

Lord Jamar Says Dr. Dre Took The Make-Up Off When He Came To Hip Hop

Exclusive: Lord Jamar also makes a distinction between the outfits of the World Class Wreckin Cru, of which Dr. Dre was a member, and those of Afrika Bambaataa & the Soul Sonic Force.

Lord Jamar, who has been critical of Kanye West wearing a dress, says that Dr. Dre had to alter his attire once he went to Gangster Rap pioneers N.W.A from the Rap-R&B group World Class Wreckin Cru.  

“When Dre came to Hip Hop, what did he do?” Lord Jamar says. "He took that bullshit off because, he knew that shit could never fly. That shit could never fly in Hip Hop. That was some R&B-type shit they was doing. When he came to Hip Hop, he took that fucking make-up off, that lace shit and put some fucking [Los Angeles] Raiders shit on, some sneakers and all that, and said, ‘Let's go. Let's keep it hard.' You know what I mean? Because Hip Hop is hard. It's not soft. [Laughs]. Hardcore. You never heard of soft-core Hip Hip. The fuck? But now you might. Now you might hear a genre called Hip soft-core 'cause we're getting to that point.”

During his rivalry with Dr. Dre, Eazy-E put a photo of Dr. Dre from his days in the World Class Wreckin Cru in the album art of his 1993 EP, It’s On (Dr. Dre) 187um Killa. The photo is as follows:

Lord Jamar says that was the first time he had heard of World Class Wreckin Cru and Dr. Dre’s role in the group, which also included future N.W.A member DJ Yella.

Dr. Dre isn’t the only Rap pioneer who wore outfits many have deemed questionable. Nonetheless, Lord Jamar said he draws a distinction between what Dr. Dre did with the World Class Wreckin’ Cru and what Afrika Bambaataa & the Soul Sonic Force wore, for instance.

"I would call that shit more weird than gay,” Lord Jamar says of Afrika Bambaataa & the Soul Sonic Force’s attire. “They weren't trying to be straight feminine with it, like, you know what I mean? They being more extravagant and trying to be entertainers, rather than trying to be some gender-bender."

A photo of Afrika Bambaataa & the Soul Sonic Force is as follows:

RELATED: Lord Jamar Calls Kanye West A Pioneer Of A "Feminine, Emasculated Style That's Trying To Infiltrate Hip Hop"

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  • Dj Speed NWA
    Who gives a crap what he thinks hip hop was what it was back then,his career is a joke so even sayin dres name he shouldn't do
  • Cli-N-Tel
    I wish I would have seen this article sooner. But let me take this time to respond and say this now, Lord Jamar is full of shit and knows nothing about what "real Hip Hop" is when it comes to Wreckin Cru or Dr. Dre or Eighties West Coast Hip Hop. HISTORY LESSON: We first have to put into context the early to mid eighties Hip Hop scene. There were only a few acts in Hip Hop that were making any real noise on the West Coast at this time; the Wreckin Cru, L.A. Dream Team,Ice-T, New York City Spinmasters, Uncle Jams Army, Egyptian Lover(who often wore dresses, and Sheik outfits while he performed) and Bobby Jimmy and the Critters. Fashion was whatever statement you made it to be and in the spirit of Hip Hop which includes Rapping, Breaking, Grafitti, and Fashion. It all fell under the tenets of Hip hop which included Peace, Love, Unity and Having Fun. Groups like UTFO, Afrika Bambataa and the Soul Sonic Force, Ice-T, even Grand Master Flash, Melle Mel, Kid Creole, Scorpio, Raheim, and Cowboy, all had flashy costumes, sequence and satin, spikes, leather, open shirts and most all wore some form of makeup for stage, on TV or during photo shoots. At this particular time in the eighties, the Wreckin Cru was put head to head against R&B acts in concerts so naturally some of the songs would have that flavor. Also there were no other parameters to draw from so naturally some of the Wreckin Cru's songs were influenced by R&B groups. But in no way shape or form were we a fucking R&B group or a bunch of gender bending queerdoes trying to fake hip hop. Miss with that bullshit. I have nothing against the LGBTQ community, but I nor Dre, Yella, or Lonzo are members. We are all married to wonderful women who ride or die homie. I personally started as a battle rapper and had developed my reputation around Compton and in Southern Cali years before I even joined the Wreckin Cru. I was a DJ in a crew with Joe Cooley before I joined the Wreckin Cru in 1983. The wreckin Cru's first recorded song "Slice" was all about HIP HOP. Fuck what you heard the Wreckin Cru has always been about Hip Hop. Not Trip Hop, but HIP HOP. I was and have always been Hip Hop thru and thru from the core and from the jump and so has Dre. In the title of this article it states that "Dr. Dre came to Hip Hop when he took off the makeup?" This is inaccurate on some many levels. First off the picture you have here is labeled inaccurately and was only done this way by Eazy E to humiliate Dre. I get that in the heat of battle, you do everything you can to humiliate your opponent, I started as a battle emcee and I was ruthless when it came to destroying my opponent to get the win. In reality, the Wreckin Cru was not and has never been a "Glam group" or a "Lipstick and Lace" group. We NEVER wore lipstick and the only person that wore ONE laced glove to honor PRINCE was DJ Yella. Dre's signature sound was being formulated with the Wreckin Cru and we even wrote a song on our FIRST ALBUM called GANG BANG YOUR DEAD. Lord Jamar's attempt to disassociate Wreckin Cru and early Dre from Hip Hop or being anything thing but hard or true is delusional and an exercise in futility. Go and Listen to my song CONCRETE ROOTS, it explains a lot more than you would get from a guy who did an episode on OZ butt ass naked in the shower with dudes. Another point in calling Wreckin Cru soft is also inaccurate, LL Cool J wrote a song called "I Need Love", UTFO did a song that sparked a whole series of answer records about a girl name Roxanne. Stop taking this shit out of context! It was the eighties, ALL groups were doing some form of it. Some songs we wrote got us a shit load of pussy so let all the haters marinate on that for a second. I have nothing against Lord Jamar personally, I even rock Brand Nubians during my DJ sets, but you have to be very careful in making reckless statements like this. It makes you appear to those in the know as ignorant. >Lord Jamar, I respect a lot of what you have to say, but on this you are dead wrong brotha< Holla. ig:DJ_Cli_N_Tel, twitter:Cli_N_Tel
  • Anonymous
    ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION Lord Jamar just picked his nose, early DX reports are it is in fact a booger, stay tuned to HHDX to find out more.
  • Anonymous
    i nearly died of laughter reading this.
  • IHateMorgy
    This article and all involving this fool need removed and reported as SPAM!
  • tigerking79
    This motherfucker is a straight up fool. Why HHDX all over this dude. Lord Jamar is nothing but a mere footnote in the history of hip hop. Dude is calling someone gay, when he looks gay in the photo posted with this article. Is this motherfucker really this stupid. It's really moronic to compare the way hip hop artists dressed in the early 80's vs the late 80's. In the early 80's almost all rappers dressed like Melle Mel, Soul Sonic Force, and World Class Wrecking Cru. New York rappers were still wearing tighter fighting jeans and pants, until west coast rappers started getting popular in the late 80's. Then in the early 90's New York rappers started wearing baggy or looser fitting jeans. Also, New York rappers copied wearing the Raiders hat from west coast rappers.
  • PonyBoy Curtis
    Bambaaataa and the Force were following P-FUNK's(geoge clintion and bootscy Collins/sly and the stones) Style #THEORY
  • R
    Lord Jamar is absolutely irrelevant. Dont understand why this site gives his bullsh.. such a platform?!
  • Trayvon is alive
    Obama is a poo pushing peter puffer. Just like lord jamar. Keep having fun behind bars you Stanford graduates.
    These comments are hilarious. Wonder if the commenters (especially the non-black ones) are AS righteously indignant about the actual racism occurring in our society, e.g. Trayvon
  • the truth
    why do you fools keep giving the racist play? like wtf, lord jamar?? could you please get the opinion of someone a little bit less irrelevant, dude is a washed up scrub and you fools put him on like this is kendrick or someone saying this?? post some real news ya bums
  • boss
    I don't like this racism I am reading. My girlfriend was half black/white with white skin. Doesn't mean her white father was dominant or better. She and I love both her parents the same. With genetics anything can happen. This shit is childish.
    • Anonymous
      So your girlfriend was an albino?
    • Anonymous
      you throw that albino word around quite a lot but i dont think you understand it
  • Anonymous
    "Actually when it comes to blacks arguing why they're "better" then whites, their dick sizes is really the only thing they can come up with. The first Anonymous tries to use big words to make himself look smart. Right, white people are very jealous of blacks. We wish we can just sit on our asses all day, collecting welfare and food stamps, destroying our neighborhoods, selling and doing drugs, fucking the nasty fat ass ho in the next apartment over, it must be nice. What do you have to say about that? I'll wait while you get your thesaurus and dictionary out and respond." This insecure white is talking about Black people arguing theyre "better" than whites by mentioning their dick size, LOL, no silly guy, Black men have the dominate genetic material in their sex organs that can give a white woman a non-white baby. You are genetic recessive which is why the dominate gene can create a Black/Brown man like Obama despite his mother being white. :) Whites were so insecure over being genetically annihilated that they formed miscegenation laws and started a ritual of castrating Black males in public. Whites are also insecure about being the color of Lepers so they spend billions on tanning products and cook themselves in the burning sun in a desperate attempt to gain some color. The extremely insecure ones join supremacist groups and make supremacist websites were they can talk about N****rs being on welfare and "Muh Dick", weak insecure white people join the KKK and Neo Natzis and blame the Jews and N*****rs for their own failures and physical defects. Sometimes the insecure whites even come on HHDX because they want one of us to school them on their true insecurities.
    • Anonymous
      no ones reading your trife ass racist trash bruthadee stop paying so much attention to white kids online and spend some time with your children
    • Anonymous
      Nah, humans aren't jealous of blacks. The whites that nigs get are just the nasty white trash hoes that a normal person doesn't want anyways, so she just becomes a single mother hood rat. Basically your typical white wannabee Sow
    • Anonymous
      black people take our leftovers and trash we dont want
    • Anonymous
      One of the white kids called him his brother to show unity between the races but then he ruined it with a stereotype.
    • Anonymous
      There are no kids on here just adults, the kids are all on Facebook, Twitter, Vine or Social networks, no kid at that age is going to waste time talking about Rap on an invisible comment page.
    • Anonymous
      yeah this is where old niggas come to spend their saturday nights
    • surreal
      dude, fill yourself with more bullshit. lol sooooooooo fucking sad
    • Anonymous
      Truth hurts. Looks like you struck a chord.
    • Anonymous
      So thats how you get all that baby bonus!
  • Anonymous
    Fuck lord jamar he is shitty and irrelevant hiphopdx needs to get off his dick
  • Barbara Mixon
    uptil I saw the paycheck 4 $9693 , I did not believe ...that...my best friend was like they say truly receiving money parttime from there new laptop. . there neighbour has done this for less than and resently took care of the mortgage on their place and purchased a brand new audi . this website... www.Fb39.com so zimmerman takes interviews and behaves like a celebrity now... makes me sad
  • Anonymous
    when Lord Jamar got into the shower with that crippled dude he took all his clothes off because it would never fly
  • According to Lord Jamar
    When Dr. Dre came to hip hop he took that bullshit off because it would never fly in hip hop (It seems that Lord Jamar is very critical about the way other men look). "That shit could never fly in hip hop" (He had to say it not once but twice!). Men who wear make up are doing R&B type shit. After Dr Dre. took off his make up, he put a LA Raiders hat on, some sneakers,and all that. Hip Hop is hard. It's not soft (I guess that was supposed to be funny). Pretty soon you'll hear a genre called Hip soft-core. Here are things that Lord Jamar are obsessed with! White People, What other men wear, predicting the future, The penises of the Hip Hop DX staff, The Penises over at Vlad TV, Penis in general, doing gay shower scenes on Tv Shows.
  • Anonymous
    And Lord Jamar said-nothing you idiots, Lord Jamar's career is dead and he's a total faggot.
    Remember, this moron's real name is Lorenzo. He is not a "Lord" and his name definitely isn't "Jamar." He is producing racism with his own hatred. He is denouncing people coming into "his" culture, meanwhile he has a European name and the stage name he uses is Islamic. Also not part of the culture he originates. Hey Lorenzo you claim you read comments and people agree with you, it seems like a majority of people want you to STFU.
      "LORD" IS A VARIANT OF THE NAME "LORENZO" Shut the FCK up Jamar you white washed piece of garbage.
      I think you might want to stop wearing skinny jeans altogether. They're cutting off the circulation to your dysfunctional brain.
  • sean
    I wish you buffoons would stop giving this dude air time.
  • Don Gwaps
    Valid points made by Jamar in this piece, some may look at it as hate but read the message he's delivering. He's not taking shots he made a contrast or an analogy and everyone is taking it as shots. Just like 50 rapped in FREE, he used to wear vest's and now niggaz wear dresses. All reffering to this metrosexual persona alot of these Hip Hop artist portray today. Perfect example, While during the Golden ERA that photo of Dre would have never been accepted into HipHop, today an artist wearing fits like that and putting on makeup would not get turned away. That's the difference.
  • Wordz frum da hood
    Awwww lawd it be black history munt. Shiiittt im fidden fine out bout mawtin lutha king, harriet tubmen, mandalea , Obama, malcom x, colonial sanders, rosa pawks, ima tell yall all about dem niggas mayne nd how gud day iz. naw mayne I caint be doin all dat now library only let me get on dis internet fo 30 mins mayne, u kno it take a nigga 30 min to type a paragraph, fo sho, giva her MUHHHHHH dIiiiIIIcccCCkkkkKK
    • Anonymous
      I love how the insecure and inadequate albino colored commenter above ended his comment with a reference to "Penis", its common knowledge that white males who are insecure about having atrophied small penises are obseeed with the Black mans virility, potency and "endowment". The phrase "Muh Dick" is popular in white supremacist circles where white males express their insececurities about the Black mans dick.
    • Anonymous
      while he mentioned penis 1 time, you went and wrote 2 whole sentences about cocks. thats pretty gay dude
    • Anonymous
      seems like bruthadee is insecure about white people
    • Anonymous
      Actually when it comes to blacks arguing why they're "better" then whites, their dick sizes is really the only thing they can come up with. The first Anonymous tries to use big words to make himself look smart. Right, white people are very jealous of blacks. We wish we can just sit on our asses all day, collecting welfare and food stamps, destroying our neighborhoods, selling and doing drugs, fucking the nasty fat ass ho in the next apartment over, it must be nice. What do you have to say about that? I'll wait while you get your thesaurus and dictionary out and respond.
    • Anonymous
      hes not gonna like that.
  • Justin Hunte
    Hello, I'm the current editor-in-chief at HipHopDX.com. I know you're all wondering why we post so many Lord Jamar articles. The reason is that I will be resigning next month and will be relinquishing my title over to Mr. Jamar. Thank you in advance for understanding.
  • Anonymous
    Wow dx way to keep bringing this guy up instead of writing articles lazy asses. seriously though this site sucks.