Yesterday HipHopDX reported that an arrest warrant had been issued for Joe Budden stemming from unpaid child support. The veteran New Jersey emcee owes nearly $13,000 in overdue payments. This isn’t new to Budden, he was arrested last year for failure to pay child support as well.
Last night Joell Ortiz posted a comment on Twitter that seems to be directed towards his Slaughterhouse bandmate. Neither artist has said anything on the issue so it is not clear if this was indeed directed at Budden, but it certainly does apply to his situation.
I don’t have a 6-pack or wild muscles but i’m still a model……. A ROLE model. Stop forcing women to be dads. Take care of your kids. Word
HipHopDX will keep you updated.
UPDATE: Many believed Joell Ortiz was sending shots at Joe Budden with his Twitter post regarding fathers. The message came soon after it was revealed that a warrant had been issued for Budden due to child support issues. However, a few hours later, aware that his message was taken as a shot to his Slaughterhouse group member, Ortiz set the record straight.
if i got a niggas number and I got something to say, I will call them DIRECT. no need for an audience.
weirdos reading into every word a nigga tweet and coming up with they own werido conspiracy theories = #boardlinehomoshit
@VerifiedLasso rt:@JoellOrtiz smh. really sounds like your taking shots at joe.-NEVER that. stop reading so fucking much into shit
Additional Reporting by Andres Vasquez.
That’s real talk. I’m sure these guys make a good amount of money on tours and whatnot so that’s a bad look on Joe’s part.
a bad look is better than no look at all kidd
Then you wonder why they’re blazing niggas
Cause you punks having babies can’t raise the niggas.
Joell is right, but is there some kind of beef going on within SH now??
Joe budden is a bitch after pulling stunts thinking he was going to take the whole wutang… smh
Joey already responded go read his twitter:
“You eat off dude … your livelihood depends on him .. assuming u want that 2 continue, reconsider .. all water aint healthy enuff 2 jump in” 4 minutes ago via web
“homeboy … i see the jabs you’re throwing …. let’s be clear, if u continue i’ll assume u want me to do the same. Reconsider.” 21 minutes ago via web
niggas dont even know all the details…stop jumping to assumptions and take a bitches side…rick ross aint payed chils support i aint see u niggas poppin of about him….GTFOH!!!!!!
thank you! i swear hiphop fans will run with whatever they ge told.
SMH at hiphop fans for the last 10yrs..
bring back the 94 mantality.
Budden dont want it with J.O.
what a dumbass comment
you may not have been talking to him directly, but what you said still applies to him regardless. but whatever.
Co-sign.
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Now, Now calm down children no need to get ahead of yourselfs. I don’t agree on half of the child support issues comon look at how much Nas & 50 giving its fucking crazy.
Half of the mums be spending it on their needs (like Kelis wants spousal support like she ain’t making her own money) what they be getting in a week is crazy. Why would a kid need like 5 to 10 grand a week especially when they young shiot you don’t give that to them when they teens.
Some people say for the future well set up some sorta trust fund for like when they 18 or 21 on some Bill Gates shit. The only time I agree on raping a farther of his earnings is when he don’t wanna do or know shit about his kids but we all know rappers such as Budden, Nas & 50 spend alotta time with them.
Don’t jump the gun without expecting to get shot.
word
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dx you guys are really making it a habit of putting up bullshit then having to correct yourselves in later posts. what’s up with yall?
It doesn’t matter if Ortiz was referring directly to Budden or not. Ortiz made a statement in general about deadbeat dads and what he said applies to Budden just as much as it does to anyone else. Man-up and take responsibility for your kids. Goddamn rappers always bitchin about how they had to grow up without a father. I wonder why? Man-up you muthafuckas!
and dats the fuckin truth
so wat if he was tlkn to joe..its jus a simple statement and its tru…4 dat real rap chek my page no gimmicks
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If you don’t want people to read into shit, don’t post vague ass subliminal messages on twitter.
so…. DX posts “Many believed Joell Ortiz was sending shots at Joe Budden with his twitter post”. But not so many people would have thought that if you guys didn’t post it. smh
What a lot of you fail to realize is that owing child support does not necessarily make you a “deadbeat” dad. The system is set up against us before we even have kids. In most cases women manipulate it and use it as a way to be spiteful. And like it’s been stated in soo many other posts, they don’t even use the money to support their child. Now I can’t speak on Joey’s situation and I definitely agree with Joell’s statement, but jumping to conclusions is wack! I’m sure Joey, like soo many other brothers in the same situation, wants to do right by his son but the mother of his child may be making that nearly impossible. The example of Nas and Kelis I think is the perfect example. She didn’t want Nas to be there for the birth of their son but wanted child support and spousal support. That’s wack! These men do need to step it up but these women need to step using child support as a crutch. If the father is a deadbeat then ok but don’t get child support bc your relationship didn’t work out and you just wanna be spiteful. If the father wants to be a father regardless of the circumstances, then let him be!
Word!
Hold up a second,son. First of all, the system isn’t forcing anyone to get random bitches pregnant. If you too stupid to avoid a pregnancy, then that’s on you. Second of all, if you have a child then you have to be responsible enough to provide (at least financially) for the child, regardless of your relationship with the baby’s momma. You think you can just get somebody pregnant and walk out with no responsibility whatsoever? Fuck outta here. Man-up muthafuckas!
@Anonymous02 – You have poor comprehension skills. Jay simple stated that if you ARE a deadbeat dad then yes you need to be on child support. However, countless examples are out there that support the notion that bitter b!tches who are angry at the fact that the baby daddy don’t want they butt anymore will use the bull sh!t system as a means to seek revenge. We ain’t talking about being smart and wearing a condomn because in some cases the father and baby mama could’ve thought they were going to get married but for one reason or another it didn’t work out. Who knows. We ain’t talking about shoulda coulda. We talking about men who are in that situation, who are now trying to get through their situation and be a real father but are being crippled by the system(which requires you to pay a crazy amount of money for your child) to a female who 9/10 is going to use the excess money for themselves. And further more its not about the MONEY that ticks men who pays child support off. Its about the fact that women are NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE. Did you hear what I just said? NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR SH!T! So if they take 800 of the fathers money that is intended soley for their child yet the mother spends $500 on getting herself right and ends up putting the child in a subpar daycare, buying store brand products, and etc. is not right. It’s not what the father intended for how the money was to be spent on the child. The mother needs to be held accountable just like the father. I would be d@mn if a female took my hard earned money that I intend to go towards my childs college fund and etc. to be used to pay their car note and etc. That’s not my responisblity nor any other fathers. Their responsibilty is to their CHILD. So its not about men needing to man up. Its about YOU needing to read more carefully and about GOLD DIGGING mother needing to be held accountable. That’s the issue dude.
@Anonymous03 – What you mean females are not held accountable? THEY ARE THE ONES RAISING THE CHILD FOR GOD’S SAKE. You think females aren’t expected to provide financially for the child as well as the father? You think females are getting free handouts? Listen man, the system isn’t set up to make the father pay for everything while the mother just kicks back and does nothing. If the tables were turned and you were the one having to be there for the child at all times (physically, emotionally, and financially) then I bet you would be happy to switch places. When the child gets sick, who’s gonna take them to the hospital? When the child needs moral support, who’s gonna be there to listen and give advice? And you wanna cry about having to split your paycheck. Man-up muthafuckas!
So why didn’t he make the comment BEFORE Joe made those headlines?
OK JOE BUDDEN LETS BE HONEST HERE IF YOURE GOING TO CATCH FEELING OFF OF WHAT ORTIZ SAID THEN LETS GO BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT METH! ORTIZ CAN HAVE HIS OPINION ABOUT YOUR WACK ASS FATHERHOOD YOU BITCH! FOR THE RECORD JOE YOU DO NOT WANT IT WITH ORTIZ! I BET THE FARM ON ORTIZ!
you know your retarded right???
He wouldn’t be dissing his own member of a group that just got a huge record deal…it’s just a general statement
http://www.datpiff.com/Mic_Heist_Scene_Of_The_Crime.m160412.html
joell is an idiot.. he posts something like that on TWITTER, then gets mad when people jump to pretty sensible conclusions. and this dummy spelled “borderline”, “boardline”. slaughterhouse loses.
slaughterhouse loses?? kid you fail leave this site and anything that has to do with hip-hop
“The media just feeds into these feuds, Trynna to add fuel to the fire”
Does anyone know if the allegations are true? Mothers go from state to state, filing false claims of non-payment, while the father is current and paying in his home state. Was he paying her directly, not knowing that such payments are considered gifts and not child support? A California billionaire was paying his children’s mother $16,000 a month, without a court order, but he was ordered to pay 18yrs of retroactive support.
Budden should clear up this little problem, than go on the attack with Child Support Enforcement for denying support payers info on their rights, in the form of the Federal Child Support Enforcement Handbook for Non-Custodial Parents, which they can get free from the US Dept. of Heath & Human Services to give out. The handbook tells how support payers get free legal representation to modify an order, when needed, and how to get free help to enforce court ordered access rights.
http://ChildSupportRights.org
http://Child_Support_Quiz.dads-house.org
Does anyone know if the allegations are true? Mothers go from state to state, filing false claims of non-payment, while the father is current and paying in his home state. Was he paying her directly, not knowing that such payments are considered gifts and not child support? A California billionaire was paying his children’s mother $16,000 a month, without a court order, but he was ordered to pay 18yrs of retroactive support.
Budden should clear up this little problem, than go on the attack with Child Support Enforcement for denying support payers info on their rights, in the form of the Federal Child Support Enforcement Handbook for Non-Custodial Parents, which they can get free from the US Dept. of Heath & Human Services to give out. The handbook tells how support payers get free legal representation to modify an order, when needed, and how to get free help to enforce court ordered access rights.
ChildSupportRights dot org
Child_Support_Quiz dot dads-house dot org
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There are a lot of fathers out there who’ve lost their jobs thanks to our government unconstitutionally interfering with and usurping the auto, banking and mortgage businesses, as well as using failed economic policies that are keeping the economy in trouble.
Government, with its lapdog press, like to pick on groups of people to create animosity and divisiveness. Government targets individuals or easily ascertainable members of groups or groups and targets them for punishment. Such punishment is deprivation of liberties, deprivation of assets and property, deprivation of life. This is what is known as a Bill of Attainder or Bill of Pains and Penalties.
We threw the British out of this country for doing things like that. History has a way of repeating itself though. In family courts, they have re-instituted debtor’s prisons, abolished over 170 years ago, as well as Bills of Attainder, abolished at the inception of the Constitution. Â
Child support enforcement, no-fault divorce and domestic violence comes right out of Soviet Family Law, Article 81. The USSR fell apart because men stopped working if they were going to have half their salaries garnished by gov’t and not be able to see their kids.
Radical women’s groups and the women’s bar associations have adopted this Soviet-style child support enforcement and no-fault divorce. Any judge who takes an Oath of Office to uphold, support, defend the US Constitution is in direct conflict with these Soviet-styled child support laws, no-fault divorce laws and domestic violence laws. Judges must disqualify themselves from these cases, otherwise they are committing felony Official Misconduct–an Impeachable offense (not to mention treasonous & seditious). Â
With that being said, it’s now time to show the government for the real “deadbeat” that it is.
According to a 7-year study done by Arizona State University Professor Sanford Braver, Ph.D., which resulted in his book, “Divorced Dads–Shattering the Myths”, he found that less than 5% of those that owed child support are true deadbeat dads-the ones with the younger trophy wives and sports cars, who don’t want to pay anything.
The truth of the matter, is that according to the Federal Gov’t. General Accounting Office, Report # GAO/HRD-92-39FS, pg. 19, over 66% of those owing child support can’t pay because they are unemployed, underemployed, disabled, dead, and in some cases the mothers don’t want support.
Judges order such onerous child support amounts in some cases, along with alimony, daycare, medical expenses, and other expenses, that the father can’t survive. He ends up becoming despondent, leaves his job and drops out of sight. He loses all contact with his child(ren) as a result. This is the government’s ultimate goal. Breaking up of father-headed families (and then mother-headed ones when there are no more fathers, wherein, the government will come for the children without any resistance). Government doesn’t do anything for altruism.
They always have a motive behind what they do and the laws they make. It’s all about money, power and control.
Judges in NJ & NY refuse to reduce child support and alimony when a man loses his job because of the current economic climate. They tell the guy that it’s too soon to reduce support because “you might get another job” in a short time. Most often the guy never gets the same-salaried position and winds up making substantially less. All the while, he falls farther and farther behind, with no hope of ever making up the arrearages.
But, do the courts reduce support? No. They keep it there until the arrears are so high, that the guy’s credit is ruined, and they start putting warrants out for his arrest, even though he did everything he was supposed to do by law.
Judges then use detainers to hold the men in jail, somewhat like bail. But, it isn’t bail, because child support is a CIVIL debt. Detainers to keep the men in jail until they pay? STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES! It’s not about the children! Keeping a man in jail to pay support is an oxymoron. And, most of the NJ Family Court judges are morons! How does one pay child support if in jail?
Does he work in the jail making $10, $15, $20/hr. and have his wages garnished? Does this person invoke the INSOLVENT DEBTORS STATUTES when he gets out of jail, since he has no assets or income, and the jailing served as the remedy for the debt owed? Under the INSOLVENT DEBTORS STATUTES, the debt has been paid once the person has been jailed for it and released. But, the state will try and keep the arrears on the books.
The reason for this: Because judges are granting high orders and enforcing them stringently because the Federal government pays the states a federal reimbursement incentive funding (42 USC Section 658a) for amounts awarded, collected and enforced. This money goes into the state coffers, no strings attached (42 USC Section 658f).
The first things paid out of state treasuries are judicial salaries and pensions and state employee salaries and pensions.
This is a major unconstitutional conflict-of-interest that has been outlawed by the US Supreme Court in Tumey v. Ohio, Ward v. Monroeville, Gibson v. Berryhill and other cases. The Supreme Court held that judges and officials (i.e., child support probation officials) who sit in judgment of cases that they have a financial interest in, are too tempted to abuse their contempt powers to jail unsuspecting litigants-taxpayers to extort/extract more and more monies out of them to increase the amount of funding, and ultimately increase their salaries and pensions.
Yet, family court judges continue to thumb their noses at the US Supreme Court mandates. This is not only contempt of the Supreme Court, but felony official misconduct by judges, who are public officials that swore an oath to uphold, support and defend the U.S.
Constitution and their respective state constitution. By refusing to disqualify themselves from these cases, where they have a financial interest in the outcome of them, the Supreme Court has held that their orders are essentially null and void and have no effect or force.
Some will say that if we don’t have judges or hearing officers to enforce orders, how then will they be enforced? As a taxpayer and voter, that is not our problem. The government made the situation. They must fix it. They can fix it by empanelling a group of people that have no financial interest (for example, economists, vocational experts, marriage experts, accountants, psychologists, even lawyers and retired judges). But, they cannot use arbitrary and capricious
contempt powers.
Anyone arrested on one of these orders is being arrested for not only a fraudulent order, but on a CIVIL matter. The U.S. Court of Appeals (2nd highest courts in the land) as well as the US Supreme Ct. hold that one can’t be arrested on a CIVIL matter because there is no 4th Amendment probable cause that a crime has been committed to issue an arrest warrant. See, Stevens v. Rose (9th Cir. 2002), Allen v. City of Portland (9th Cir. 1995), Wooley v. City of Baton Rouge (5th Cir. 2000), Peterson v. City of Plymouth (8th Cir. 1995), Moore v. Marketplace Rest.(7th Cir. 1985), Paff v. Kaltenbach (3rd Cir. 2000).
Also, included is the Third Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals case of U.S. v. Parker, 108 F.3d 28, 30-31 (3rd Cir. 1997)(child support a civil, commercial debt). In U.S. v. Lewko, 269 F.3d 64, 68-69 (1st Cir. 2001), the First Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals held that child support is nothing more than a common civil, commercial debt, and that it is NOT any “special kind of debt”. Again, another fraud perpetrated by government officials. Every other Circuit, including the Third, has followed suit and hold that child support is a common commercial, civil debt.
The child support industry is a total fraud. It is a $5-$10 BILLION per year INDUSTRY that, if eliminated, the monies saved and sent to the children that supposedly need it, would wipe out all child support arrears in the US at one time. All that would be needed to do is send the BILLIONS in the form of a Social Security check or wire transfer, since child support enforcement laws are part of the entire Social Security Act.
Lastly, fathers will find an unusual way to pay their child support. They will sue the sheriff’s officers and sheriff’s departments, probation dept’s. (because probation workers sought warrants when they are neither attorneys, nor were those arrested ever on probation). They will sue for Civil Rights Damages and for FALSE ARREST, ASSAULT, AND FALSE IMPRISONMENT FOR DEBT (In the New Jersey Constitution, Article I, Section 13, it prohibits Imprisonment for Debt in ANY action; every other state has such a prohibition, and 18 U.S.C. Sections 1581 and 1589 prohibit involuntary servitude by taking someone under government threat and making them work for someone else to pay off a debt).
Even if they can’t collect, the state will be paid for the uncollectible debt, to insure a win-win situation for the state. They collect if he pays, and they collect if he doesn’t. Child support has long since stopped being about supporting children or relieving taxpayers of the welfare burden. It has now become a lucrative “REVENUE STREAM” for the states, bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars per year. in addition to being a Communistic “TRANSFER OF WEALTH” scheme for the entitlement of women, lawyers and child support INDUSTRY. If not so, then why don’t we hear about DEADBEAT MOMS, who fail to pay ordered support in over 65% of cases?
Before castigating the fathers for not supporting their children, show some concern for the corrupt courts who CREATE those fatherless children for profit. The judges and politicians, over the past thirty years, have trivialized fatherhood by giving sole custody to the mothers in 90(+)% of cases, denying fathers their due process rights, treating them like criminals, and separating them from their children in order to separate them from their money. Divorced, or single fathers have had fatherhood beaten out of them, and so, have no consideration for the responsibilities of siring children. Neither is there any respect for marriage by the women bearing those children.
Fatherlessness breeds sexual promiscuity. The socialist-liberals in the courts, the legislatures, and the editorial offices have created a problem. Then they designed programs to throw money at the problem. Those programs have the opposite affect from what was desired. Instead of slowing or stopping the problem, they made it WORSE, creating even MORE fatherlessness. When you analyze the situation with an open mind, it may occur to you, as it has to some, that
failure to pay child support might actually a rebellion against tyranny.
Some will say “it hurts the children” when you don’t pay. It hurts the children when the custodial mother, supported and empowered by the courts and politicians, deprive the children of contact with their father, which, according to empirical studies, occurs 75% of the time. No wonder there is a lost generation of children out there.
It’s not an accident. It’s by design. The government breaks up families for profit, gain, power and control.
Remember that the next time you accuse someone of being a “deadbeat dad”!
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He may not have been taking shots… but his timing and tact suck if Joey is his brother.
Hopefully this was just a major coincidence…but the lack of cohesion from what seemed to be tension building around Joe (possibly for the Shady slowdown or whatever it is now) because the last thing Joe needs to deal with is Ortiz losing his composure publicly even for a moment. He’s easily provoked, which sometimes leads to great music from him, but not always. I was really excited hearing Remember the Titans, to see him on something at least with Royce again and then with Crooked for Sober Up..the BE3 crap had me concerned for real…maybe we do read too far into things as an audience, but I head what I thought were several subliminals in addition to Buddens sending in all ihs stuff late. Slaughterhouse can be great, but especially after seeing the recent solo projects by its members, I expect so much more from them on album 2, cuz the first was unfocused…Crooked admitted to writing all his verses while watching the Lakers in the finals against the Magic.
Low key diss foh and there was more than just the fatherhood line “fuck them subs who they intended at” ?