Phonte Coleman and Sinnamon Love: Turntables Pt 1
When DX realized that these two interesting characters shared a mutual admiration and respect for one another we thought, "Why not get the two of them together and see what happens?" After some initial shyness and small talk the two really opened up and got into it. Witness Sinn and 'Tay get more personal than ever, sharing their thoughts on politics, sex, love, Hip Hop, the dark side of the porn industry, andpowdered sugar farts? Catch a rare glimpse into the human lives behind the larger-than-life personas:
Sinnamon Love: If you could live anywhere [besides your current home in North Carolina] where would it be?
Phonte: Um, I dont knowshitprobably somewhere oversees like Stockholm, Swedenthat place is gorgeous. Its pretty, its real cleanpeople are real friendly. Its just really cool. And the black people Ive talked to over there say its aight. [Race] relation-wise, its pretty coolIve definitely thought about leaving [North Carolina] though.
SL: Have you? I know [I would leave Los Angeles] just because its a little hectic here, but why would you leave [home]. Whats the one thing that would make you just up and leave?
P: I mean, depending on what this next [political] administration doessome of the laws that have been passed in our country have been kind of Draconian I guess. So if it got to the point where my kids were being subjected to something crazyfuck it, Im out. I dont know, well see. Me and my wife have definitely talked about possibly living in another country. And 10 years ago, I never would have imagined [wanting to leave]. But now as I travel Ive seen how other people live
SL: Rightwell since you brought up politics: do you think that Barack Obamas policies are enough to [elect him as president] or do you think his [race] will keep him [from being elected]?
P: For me, personally, Im not really a political dude. Im not nearly as political as my music may lead some people to believe. Im not a dude watching CSPAN and CNN, so Im truthfully not really into politics; I just study people. Feel me? So from what Ive seen, I just thinkwell, first of all, the whole election process in itself is really just like niggas runnin' for senior class president but on a much higher level. Its all about who got the prettiest posters, who gonna give out the most cupcakes at lunchthe shit is really a popularity contest. Its American idol for the presidency. Might as well have Simon [Cowell] up there critiquing niggas speeches and shit.
SL: Yea I know. I was on a flight coming back from Puerto Rico and I was watching the Democratic debate. It was a spat between Barack and Hillary the entire time.
P: Yeah, they was going at it
SL: It was funny to me because John Edwards was totally out of the whole conversation; it was like he wasnt even there. He had to come back with some snappy little comment about them bickering in order to even get back into the debate because he wasnt even a consideration at that point. I mean, the ticket he was on that he could win was four years ago. So, what makes him think that he can win now?
P: The dude I was fuckin' with [back then] was that gotdamn Howard Dean!
SL: Oh for sure!
P: Yeah, but when that nigga did the YAAAAAH! shit, it was over. [Laughs] That shit was dead after thatbut with [Obama], I think its gonna come down to his ability to inspire people. Mufuckas wanna believe that they can make a difference. People wanna believe in something. This mufucka had an old white lady crying and shitlike an old desperate housewife crying like, Oh my God, he was so [inspirational] crying over this nigga! They want another Kennedy, know what I'm saying? A white woman in Georgia I think was talking [on the news] and she said, I was undecided before...but after hearing [Obama] speak my vote is clear. I want a president I can look at on the TV and be proud of. And thats really what it comes down to. She said, The past four years, every time I heard [President Bush] speak I would just turn away because I dont even wanna look at him. I dont want to hear what he has to say.
SL: [Bush] makes a fool of himselfhe really makes it sound like hes a fuckin idiot and you have to question if [the other leaders] look at him like Are you serious? Youre trying to tell us how to run our shit and you cant even use proper grammar! And we got a vice president who runs around shooting people. Who cant tell the difference between a deer and a human being? [Laughs]
P: [Laughs] Yeah, thats badpeople just need [a president] they can feel good about, so for Obama, he just needs to figure out how hes gonna get the Latino vote. I dont know what the disconnect in his campaign is between him and Latinos
SL: I think the biggest problem now is the whole Black on Brown issue that were having in the country and especially places like L.A where the violence between Black and brown people has escalated to a point where its going to be difficult for him to win [both sides] over. Plus, his healthcare policy is not a universal healthcare policy the way that Kerry and Clinton are pitching. He was the first to admit that his policy does not include illegal immigrants. None of their policies do when it comes to universal healthcare, but the fact that he doesnt support [universal healthcare] eitherhes gonna have to have a very liberal stance on immigration policy in order to [win the Latino vote]. Its gonna be hard.
P: I agreeI [also] think this country is much more sexist than it is racist. In my opinion.
SL: For sure. Hilary is not gonna be able to make that move. Do you think she would actually be able to lead?
P: I dont know. Hilary to me just comes across as a textbook politician. When I see her talk, when I watch her, I dont hear anything. I dont get [her platform]. At least with Obama...I know one of the things I admire about him is that hes like, I dont want you to have your faith in the government or the president to save you, I want to empower people to believe they can save themselves. To me, thats a much more powerful message.
SL: Right, [not someone who says] Im gonna change everything for you,...
P: Right, not Im gonna be the magical nigga that just cures all your problems. He wants to empower people. Thats one of the biggest problems in the country. People just dont give a shit. They either dont give a shit, or shit is just too far gone and they are like fuck it. People are so apathetic. If people dont value their own lives, they aint gonna value no one elses either.
SL: So do you think the hustle has its place in our community? When there are so many people who are disenfranchised and yet they still have to provide for themselves or their families?
P: well I mean, drugs is always gonna sell. Pussy is always gonna sell. That shit ain't never going outta businessbut speaking of stripping... [Laughs]
P: So the sex industry...this is what the people really wanna hear, this is what they wanna know [laughs] Ive written about porn in my blog before. Im a porn fan; Im familiar with your work. Im a fan. You put it down. [Laughs]
SL: And Im a fan of Little Brother! [Laughs]
P: Yeah, thats whats up! I appreciate thatbut yeahIve written about porn, and my theory on it is that a lot of the women who do porn are damaged. Whether its mental damage or drug addiction or some type of issueYou dont see too many well-adjusted porn stars. So Im saying [we shouldnt] take advantage of a person who was physically handicapped so [we technically shouldnt] take advantage of someone with [an emotional handicap]. But I guess my question is, what percentage of women that you know in porn are well-adjusted and not dealing with some type of abuse?
SL: to be perfectly honest with you, it changes. Ive been in the business for 15 years now. Ive been through three generations of porn stars. When I first started, there were probably a lot more women who were coming from some sort of a damaged background. But some women back then, like Champagne, and Janet Jacme, they were a different mold of women back then. They were women who really and truly enjoyed sex. A lot of women, especially with women of color, they got into porn because they were strippers and they realized if they got into porn they could make more money on the road [stripping] as a feature performer, as opposed to stripping in a club for $150 a night, so it was a little more strategic. Some use it as an escape: when you have a girl who grew up in a small town in Iowa and her everyone in her family works at Wal-Mart, and theres no real opportunity for her to do anything with her life and she sees Jenna Jameson or Tera Patrick or someone come to her town and do a feature tour [stripping] and she sees how much money they make; shes gonna see it as a way out. Particularly with women of color who have kids or no educationdoing porn and making $1,000 a day is a lot better than going on welfare.
P: I feel you on that.
SL: For me personally, I got into porn because I was getting divorced, I was 19 and in my second year of school, and I was working at Bloomingdale's and at Fred Siegel at the same time. I had to choose between studying and going to work. I was basically spending two hours a day with my kids. And at that time, I had no problem with porn. I didnt know anything about it so there was no taboo. And If I were to go on welfare, they pay for school and childcare, but then theyre like You have to give up your $775 a month rent controlled apartment in the nice little Santa Monica neighborhood so I can give you $480 in welfare every month. And Im like, Im not moving outta my crib so you can give me a handout and limit the amount of money I can make on my own by reducing your aid to meand I'm increasingly finding more women in the industry that came in because of similar situations. My situation was a little different because I did have that education and that background, but I made a financial choice to aid in my ability to do something for my family. And I find a lot of women doing the same. And its not just women in the industry. I find a lot of guys who were living in Bed-Stuy or Brooklyn and went from hustling on the corner to banging some of the hottest chicks in the country and being paid to do it! [Laughs] So theres something to be said about the people like Jenna Jameson who [now] have entities behind them that are worth millions of dollars. But thats not to say that there arent people in the industry who come from damaged backgrounds, but its sad that when you see porn stars in [the media] talking about exploitation, they usually only show the ones with the damage and the drug problems and they have regrets. What you dont see is the [people like] Diana DeVoe, or Lexington Steele who have educations. Diana graduated from the University of Hawaii. Lexington Steele worked on Wall Street. So people dont understand that there are those of us that are normal. [Laughs]
P: So would you consider yourself to be normal? Have you dealt with any type of drug addition or anything like that?
SL: I mean, I have a relatively normal day to day. My live is my family, my kidsI just do what I have to do...but I made the decision to never do anything on camera that I wouldnt or couldnt do in my personal life. Thats not to say Ive done everything that you see in my movies in my personal lifeLike Ive done a scene recently where I was [having sex] with one person and then on the sideline there was five other guys Id go off and give head to in the middle of the scene. Ive never done that in my personal lifebut it was sexy. The way that it was shot , it was something that I could fathom [doing on my own]...But Im not gonna have 15 guys waiting to fuck me, because to me, thats not sexy.
P: You know, one thing I did wanna ask you aboutI told [DX Moderator] Aliya that I was gonna ask youcause we gotta knowwhat exactly was the artistic vision supposed to be behind the powdered sugar on the ass video? Was that supposed to be sexy? [Laughs]
Tune in for part 2 tomorrow to find out the answer to that question and so much more!
Moderated by Aliya Ewing.