Hip Hop fans are a fickle bunch. It’s the reason almost none of our legends are still relevant, unlike other genres (see: The Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, Willie Nelson). It’s the reason why we’re so concerned with which coast or city we claim. Some heads refuse to listen to music outside of their time zone – let alone on the other side of the Atlantic.
With this in mind, U.K. emcee Dizzee Rascal brings to the states his critically acclaimed album Maths & English. First released in the U.K. in 2007, Maths & English combines a blend of Grime and UK Garage styles – but don’t get it twisted – Dizzee is Hip Hop through and through.
With a distribution deal on Definitive Jux, Dizzee Rascal hopes to bring his unique take on the art form to the states. Backed by the likes of El-P and UGK, Maths & English promises to have something for everyone, even if England isn’t in your time zone.
HipHopDX: It’s
well-established that you’ve been influenced by Hip Hop, Grime
and UK Garage styles --
Dizzee Rascal: Heavy
Metal, too.
DX: How do these
influences manifest themselves in your music, and help you develop
your own unique sound?
DR: It gives me
the ability to create a bigger picture with the wholeness of music;
it doesn’t limit me to just one sound. Like the song “Sirens”
on my album – it’s got a really heavy rock sound. A part
of it was inspired by Korn’s “Here to Stay.”
If I didn’t know about Korn, “Sirens" wouldn’t
have been created.
DX: Your album
Maths & English features a wide range of subject matter,
ranging from dark social commentary to lighthearted tracks like
“Wanna Be” with Lily Allen. Is it difficult to get
yourself in a mind state that you can go back and forth along that
spectrum in a single album?
DR: It can be
hard to get into a place to make it sound good [and not] sound
pretentious as shit. It’s also a reflection of my personality.
I try to put out as much as possible.
DX: So you’re
trying to show people the full range of what it is that’s in
your head.
DR: Exactly.
DX: El-P was
quoted as having said, “As big as [Dizzee Rascal] is
overseas, he’s never really had as much of a chance to get out
there in the U.S.” Why do you think that is?
DR: Part of it
was, maybe, because I was on a rock label or indie rock label. That
was cool, but now I’ve been given a chance to fuckin’ get
pushed to a Hip Hop audience – because whatever other
influences I have in my music, I am Hip Hop. I wasn’t getting
pushed to Hip Hop fans – I think that’s a big part of it.
DX: Do you
think Hip Hop audiences are naturally fickle in that if they see that
someone’s on a Rock label, they’ll instantly say, “Oh,
I don’t want to listen to this?”
DR: Not
necessarily; but if you’re on a rock label, they might not even
see it. Like, something coming out of Def Jam – I’m
a Hip Hop fan, I might know about it. Some people might not know
about record labels or care about them; they just listen to the radio
or whatever. But if you’re a Hip Hop fan, you’re not
necessarily going to know something’s coming out on an indie
rock label.
DX: So it
might’ve been that you didn’t get the proper push?
DR: I think the
label I was with did as much as they could, and I think they did a
quite a good job; but on the second album, I don’t think they
did [quite as good a job].
DX: You’re
touring with El-P and Def Jux is releasing Maths & English in
the U.S. Can you elaborate further on your relationship with Def Jux?
DR: I only just
signed with them. I only just met them recently. Things are moving
pretty fast.
DX: So you’re
officially signed with them?
DR: Yeah, we
finished one album. I’ll be touring with them in May.
DX: Many American
Hip Hop fans know of your music through your relationship with UGK –
what can you say about your experiences with them, and how that lead
to your appearance on [UGK’s] Underground Kingz and in
turn their appearance on your album?
DR: I met Bun
B at South by Southwest a few years ago. We kinda clicked
from there. Last year or the year before, we were both working on our
albums. Bun asked me to feature on the song with him and Pimp
[C] called “Two Types of Bitches,” and in
return I asked him to be on “Where’s Da G’s.”
I sent him the beat, and he said he could get Pimp on it as
well – and it went from there. But I’ve known Bun B
for years. We had done a song years ago; he’s just someone
I really click with.
DX: Are there
any other American artists you’ve gotten to know, or hope to
work with in the future?
DR: Yeah, lots.
I’ve [opened] for Justin Timberlake, The Red Hot
Chili Peppers, Sean Paul, Jay-Z, I’ve performed with Nas,
I’ve performed with N.E.R.D… the list goes on.
DX: Going back to
your upcoming tour, did that come about as a natural progression from
your partnership with Def Jux?
DR: It just
happened. I was eventually going to do a tour in America, but it
makes sense to do a tour with someone like El-P, and getting
that exposure and that audience. You should come!
DX: Sounds good,
man. Is this the biggest tour you’ve done in the U.S.?
DR: No, I’ve
done a five-week tour in 2004.
DX: Was that
just you, or other people as well?
DR: That was my
own tour. As far as the biggest tour I’ve done, it was either
the Red Hot Chili Peppers tour in Europe or the Justin
Timberlake tour in England.
DX: Is the U.S.
release of Maths & English the same as the U.K.?
DR: Nah, there’s
a few more tracks on this one. There’s a track called “Ghetto,”
and another one called “G.H.E.T.T.O,” another one called
“Driving,” and then there’s a remix to “Where’s
Da G’s” that El-P’s done.
DX: Using your
music video for “Sirens” as an example, do you feel
symbolism such as the fox hunters may be lost on those not familiar
with the UK culture?
DR: There’s
bound to be. But anyone with half a brain is gonna know [“Sirens”]
is about society – people at the top and people at the bottom,
it’s basically [about] how it works.
DX: So you
feel that regardless of the context of the culture overseas, your
music should be able to reach most audiences.
DR: Yeah.
Because, at the end of the day, you might not know too much about
England – but if I’m saying something that you feel
inside of you, it doesn’t matter where I’m from.
DX: What is the
most important thing for American audiences to take from your music?
DR: Fun. And,
uh, fulfillment. When you hear my music, you should feel good about
yourself. You should be able to carry on with your day. You should
feel inspired to do something good.
DX: In your song
“Da Feelin’,” you say “I don't believe in
fate/Life is what you make it –
DR: - make it
great.” Yeah. ‘Cause what’s fate if you don’t
get up off your ass and do something about it? Fate is just a load of
could-bes and should-bes.
DX: Does that mean
to you that success is what you make of it – and if so, what is
success to you?
DR: Success is
whatever you set out to do, and hopefully you get closer and closer
to achieving it. I suppose success is when other people look at you
as successful.
DX: What would
make you consider yourself successful with this album release.
DR: One –
if it’s considered a classic album, which I hope it is; and two
– loads of people really like it, and get into me as an artist.
DX: Are album
sales a concern?
DR: I don’t
know what to expect. The music industry is just going up and down, up
and down. So you know what? I’m just thankful I get to sell
music, and that people give a shit. I’ve made money. I didn’t
set out to make money in the beginning – I just made loads of
money, and I was lucky and fortunate enough that people liked my
music and were paying me for it. Whatever is meant to be will be.
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